Here ARE the differences between Obamacare and the way insurance companies were treaitng patients before this insurance. Under Obamacare, if someone is denied coverage they can go to the State Exchange and/or the Federal Government to dispute a claim. Everyone has someone on their side. In the good old days, a battle with the insurance company meant that the insured was alone and without any recourse.
In addition, Obamacare offers basic coverage to everyone that prevents insurance companies from operating their old death panels, willy nilly.
No one disputes that triage will continue. It happens in doctors offices, ERs, everywhere where medicine is practiced including in wars. People with death-threatening injuries, illnesses, who have a chance to live will be treated before those who have no chance of surviving. We all need to be mindful of healthcare costs and make the best decisions we can about when to continue to take heroic efforts and when those efforts are simply prolonging the inevitable.
Using Obamacare, doctors will be making those decisions rather than a desk jockey at a for-profit insurance company. And it's silly or willful ignorance not to see the difference.
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 10:19:23 AM UTC-4, jgg1000a wrote:
"Death Panels" are and were part of Obamacare. What is a "Death Panel", a group of folks making medical decisions based on cost and statistical average.... Obamacare has that feature...
On Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:10:14 AM UTC-4, Lobo wrote:They're going to "drown" anti-science disinformation on blogs and forums with facts?
Horrors...!
Quite a difference from 2008-09, when the Koch Bros, Dick Armey and others bussed teabaggers around the country to shout down and intimidate congressmen and ordinary Americans who were trying to discuss health care at town meetings with party talking points lies about "death panels" and the like. Unlike online blogs and forums, where people can choose to read a post or not read it, and no one can really shout down others, those thug fanatics wouldn't allow anyone else to speak or be heard.
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On Saturday, March 29, 2014 3:21:41 AM UTC-4, jgg1000a wrote:the organized left mob action to punish discussion... Isn't this what Ragnar does???
http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/09/skeptical-science- drown-them-out.html
>>> In March of 2012, the climate alarmist website Skeptical Science had their forums "hacked" and the contents posted online. In these it was revealed that Skeptical Science members are organizing themselves into eco-strike squads to "drown out" those who do not accept their alarmist positions,
"I posted over at Politico just recently. Hey, we can tag team it a bit if you like, use time zone differences." - Glenn Tamblyn [Skeptical Science], February 10, 2011"I think this is a highly effective method of dealing with various blogs and online articles where these discussions pop up. Flag them, discuss them and then send in the troops to hammer down what are usually just a couple of very vocal people. It seems like lots of us are doing similar work, cruising comments sections online looking for disinformation to crush. I spend hours every day doing exactly this. If we can coordinate better and grow the "team of crushers" then we could address all the anti-science much more effectively." - Rob Honeycutt [Skeptical Science], February 11, 2011
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